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The Offensive Weapons Bill 2018

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On 20th June 2018, the Government published its Offensive Weapons Bill – the first step to creating a new Act. The provisions set out in the Bill will become law when the Act is passed. That hasn’t happened, yet, but it will.

The headlines of the Bill are set out on this page.

…with the full text of the Bill available here.

The Bill is set for its second reading in the Commons on the afternoon of Wednesday 27th June.

Significantly, for Heinnie Haynes, this Bill, when implemented, will affect the way that we work and trade. It will affect the way that you buy knives. One of the provisions in the Bill is that we will no longer be able to deliver bladed items to residential addresses. This means no more home delivery for knives and bladed tools. We appreciate that this is a big deal – it’s fundamentally the biggest change in the way that we work during the 22 years that we’ve been in business.

This is not the end of the road for us. Your non-knife parcels will be delivered to your home as before, and we have a plan in place to be able to deliver your knife orders to your local collection point (details to follow). Of course it’s not as useful as having your parcels delivered to your front door, but it’ll save you waiting in for deliveries. In most cases, we’ll be able to offer next working day delivery on those orders.

During the stages of this consultation prior to publication of the Bill, we’ve had very many fruitful conversations with a great many of you. We thank all of you who’ve contributed, both in below-the-line comments on our blog and FB feed, and by engaging with their MPs. We’re heartened that some of your comments to the consultation seem to have been listened to. Of course there are very many others which appear to have been ignored. We still have time to lobby our MPs until the law is enacted.

One of our suppliers has set up a petition to challenge the updated law. Here’s the link to the petition to Remove article 15 of the Offensive Weapons Bill.

With thanks for your custom over the past 22 years, and looking forward to the future together.

Comments

30 thoughts on “The Offensive Weapons Bill 2018

  1. Luc Paoli - 4:50 pm 21/06/18

    what is the updated definition of a “flick knife”?

  2. Lawyer - 4:48 pm 22/06/18

    The amendments to the definition of flick knives is designed to catch assisted-openers. The reference to “automatically” should mean that flippers are not caught.

  3. Dave - 7:11 pm 26/06/18

    Comment

    I think that flippers will be caught up in the law. This is certainly something that could be interpreted to be automatic from a fully closed or partially open position. It depends on what is meant by the meaning ‘automatic’ in the definition of the act. What I’ve found over the many years of trying to talk to the home office about knife law is that they often say it’s for the courts to decide what the laws interpretation is, which when you think about it, it’s ludicrous. How can a law be ‘generated’ on the basis of it having no definition until it goes to court. The problem as I see it at the moment is, could a thumb stud opening lock knife on a friction hinge be classed as automatic by using its inerrant ‘button’ or is this classed as a manual opener and if you cease to remain pushing the blade open it will stop opening, therefore it can’t be automatic… But what if you flip the blade open using a push force on the thumb stud large enough to generate a fully opening sequence …. Is that automatic… The fact is that law doesn’t always take the natural definition and meaning but one of something other. The way I see it is they are most definitely trying to catch Spring assisted knives either thumb stud or flipper variants, yet as I said you can achieve almost the same characteristics using a thumb stud on a friction folder. Any thoughts……

  4. Dave - 8:39 pm 26/06/18

    Comment
    After some more investigation, I’ve found that the change in law in aimed at but not exclusive to Spring assisted style knives either flipper style or thumb stud type. so friction folders or folders with a thumb stud that only Reley on manual movement solely to open their blades at this point in my thinking are ok…..

  5. Stephen - 8:33 pm 28/06/18

    Once again hasty and ill thought out legislation causes chaos for millions of law abiding folk without making the blindest difference towards achieving the objective. The problem is not mail order blades but a tiny minority of feral youth. The logic is like saying ‘spoons make you fat’.

  6. Simon - 9:09 pm 28/06/18

    There is a very clear problem with this bill.
    If it is illegal to deliver a knife to a residential address, and it is illegal to carry a knife..,how do you get any knife home- or do they suggest we now cut bread with a spoon!?

  7. Simon - 8:18 am 29/06/18

    Does anyone know if ‘bladed articles’ would include packs of disposable blades for Stanley knives, snap-off blade utility knives, X-Acto knives, scalpels etc? If so, that’s a major pain in the bum, I buy a lot of these by mail order for DIY and craft purposes.

  8. SD - 8:59 am 29/06/18

    I ask as a resident of the Isla of Man
    Do you think, as with other related legislation, that Crown Dependencies will be excluded from the new act?

  9. M. Steven - 1:43 pm 29/06/18

    The police state intensifies its clamp down on ordinary, law abiding citizens. Sickening. And less than 3000 signatures on the petition. Almost as sickening.

  10. Ian - 2:19 pm 29/06/18

    This is a difficult one for me.
    I like Hennie’s service and products, but although my family and I live rough in a private woodland at the weekend we also live in inner city London with all the concerns about knife crime that entails when you have two teenage children. I own axes, knives etc for practical living when camping but I am against this being a campaign issue for Hennie. There is a knife problem in our local schools (my children are above this, having learnt what such tools are for) and wheedling around this by delivering to a local shop is not going to solve the problem. I would agree with the general intent of the government, although I disagree with this policy.
    I would prefer for the law to be sensible (as it probably already is) and demand proof of ID on any purchases. But meanwhile Hennie with a vested interest should stay out of the argument.
    I also agree with Simon’s comment that there is an inherent contradiction in the law if you cannot carry the item you are going to collect. By it’s nature this surely renders the law completely unenforceable in court?

  11. Charles - 7:38 pm 29/06/18

    Comment
    As per usual the politicians haven’t a clue what’s going on. The majority of knife crime is committed using kitchen knives that the kids steal from Tescos. They are not going to be spending £100+ for quality assisted openers if they are going to be throwing them away after hurting someone. Yes maybe a very small percentage have quality knives, but the majority don’t AND they don’t buy them.
    I have a Gerber Fast Draw which is a constant companion at work, but I could be arrested if I left it in my pocket, rather than my toolbox — a crazy state of affairs. This is beginning to sound like the knee jerk reaction that banned handguns, that ruined competitive pistol shooting for a generation and had virtually no effect on gun crime. It’s about time the politicians got off their collect asses and did some proper research.

  12. Jez - 7:52 pm 29/06/18

    We are on a loser I am afraid.
    This country’s laws are heavily influenced by pressure groups, that is normally enough on it’s own despite being minority views to bring on legislation, but add public opinion to that which in the important areas of course has no effect, such as the opposition to Iraq, or the agenda to run down and privatise the NHS for wealth creation for the elite.
    Last figures I had was when Lansley was Health secretary, were that allegedly at least 225 Parliamentarians have connections to private health companies, many of them American and that figure will certainly be much higher by now, once we leave the EU and they have complete power, the direct trade route into the UK will mean corporate take over and asset stripping of our health care and other areas.
    Huge fortunes will be made by the elite leaving the population with huge insurance bills of hundreds of pounds per month, per person including babies and children.
    The effect on issues like knife law or motoring law, green issues have a swell of public opinion behind them and as a % of the population us knife collectors are a tiny number who have no say whatsoever in the outcome.
    The government will go for the most draconian laws possible to placate the public and trumpet their pro public order credentials. They also I suspect use any opportunity as with gun law to disarm the public, particularly as I anticipate disaffection when the consequences of leaving the EU are felt in the pockets of the population who will wake up too late to the fact that it has been engineered by an elite group of international capitalists who intend to deregulate the UK and install an Asian style of economy.
    There is a book ‘Britannia Unchained’ co authored by the MP Priti Patel which sets out the agenda and refers to the population of the UK as idle, overpaid.
    See the reviews on Amazon or somewhere to get a flavour if you are interested.
    The police, CPS and court system will hit knives hard as well again for obvious reasons, so don’t expect any quarter given, they will be as harsh as the legislation allows.
    Yet we all know that collector’s knives are not used for knife crime, recent attacks have been with kitchen knives bought for a couple of pounds from a cheap shop.
    When the police proudly display their latest pile of knives ‘taken off of the street’ freeze frame the footage, they are mostly kitchen knives with one or two nasty looking cheap Rambo rubbish knives thrown in.
    Banning will not solve the problem as has been shown by the criminals turning to acid now, ban acid and they will use hammers or chisels, it is the offenders who need dealing with and in many cases locking them up just keeps them off the street for a few months.
    I know of charity social clubs, boxing clubs who due to cuts by the Tories have lost funding and are having to close, it is these type of organisations that push potential criminal users of knives in the right direction, but the Tories are not interested in that, they just want votes, and big headlines of draconian knife crime laws buy them.

  13. P - 9:26 pm 29/06/18

    Yeah because criminals buy knives don’t they. They obviously don’t just go out and steal them!

  14. Aida - 11:00 am 30/06/18

    These new knife laws will make us the laughing stock of the rest of the “free” World. They can’t even be trusted with sharp things!

  15. David Morgan - 1:59 pm 30/06/18

    While I agree with and abide by the laws of this land I think it is important to remember that laws have little or no value in preventing crime or keeping the public safe. Decent people do not break the laws, career criminals, terrorists etc simply ignore them. We have had laws in place for centuries to prohibit theft, people steal; to prohibit burglary, people burgle; to prohibit rape, people rape; to prohibit drink/drive, people drink/drive; to prohibit murder, people kill;. Laws to completely ban the purchase of knives will simply mean that individuals who want to attack others will make a knife(very easy to do) or other weapon. remember that the ideal weapon to commit murder is a vehicle. One can always plead careless or dangerous driving. Parliament seem to enact laws without any real thought as to the practicality and/or value. I remember Tony Blair announcing a new initiative to solve drunken and rowdy behaviour. People were to be taken to cash points by the police and fined on the spot!! Clearly he had never dealt with a rowdy, drunken person and had given no thought to the acquisition of pin numbers and potential dishonesty. If someone is determined to get a knife to harm others they will burgle a house, restaurant or shop and steal one. Every household possesses knives of some description. In reality, if I wanted to kill someone I would buy a 2lb ball peen hammer, as used in hand to hand fighting by Special Forces, a small hand axe, Fiskars make a range of sizes or possibly a billhook, available at all good garden centres. These are all equally effective killing tools as a knife. Sadly none of these sort of facts will be considered and firms such as Hennie will suffer and huge amounts of public money will be wasted enacting relatively valueless laws.

  16. Tony Leah - 7:13 pm 30/06/18

    I believe that in certain areas of this country the police have lost control of the streets we live in, there are no go areas, they avoid going to, just to avoid confrontation, basically due to massive under staffing.There answer as usual is to hit the law abiding members of society,because we wil accept everything they throw at us.we lost our handguns,through the actions of people who properly vetted would never had a license in the first place.knife carrying thugs don’t buy from HH, the get them from cheap shops who don’t give a toss who they sell too.Moped crime is on the rise, come on government,ban the sale of mopeds??, that’s what you do . for gods sake punish the guilty give courts proper powers,lets have judges with some balls!!

  17. Matt - 11:24 pm 30/06/18

    Comment
    Ian, i think you’re completely wrong here. Heinnie Haynes, as one of the largest knife companies in the country, is exactly the type of organisation that needs to step forward to protect the interests of the knife enthusiast community. Nobody else is going to do it, and the government has demonstrated time and again that it sees us simply as an easy scapegoat to attack to get easy votes off of simplistic thinkers.

  18. David Stead - 1:58 pm 01/07/18

    Just like the VCR act with air rifles, this will not stop anyone buying from abroad and having the parcel delivered to their home address, not even a child. Just like the VCR act, this will do absolutely nothing to reduce violent crime, not even for a single day. This is a direct attack on British owned companies by globalists, nothing to do with crime at all.

  19. Mr Stephen R Valledy - 7:00 pm 01/07/18

    Comment
    If you look at Hansard the Home Secretary clearly says that this bill will not apply to ” table knives, knives to be used for sporting purposes, knives to be used for re-enactment purposes, or hand-made knives.” It will be a legal defence for knife suppliers to argue that these knives can be bought and delivered in the usual way.

  20. Bob - 8:36 pm 01/07/18

    Surely someone should point out that there is already a law to stop sales to U18s it is just being ignored by delivery companies. Already you are supposed to show ID on delivery. Fine or prosecute delivery companies who fail to comply. A note on the front door saying “Gone out. Leave by back door” should mean no delivery. I have kids and worry about knife crime but this law does nothing. A kitchen knife will do the deed. And you can stab people with screwdrivers/any pointed object, even pens and pencils which I don’t see being banned in schools. The only way to stop the current problem is teaching kids to behave properly and having genuine punishment if they don’t. But that’s a harder thing to do so politicians don’t bother.

  21. jimmy - 10:59 pm 01/07/18

    i think the law is maybe a push-pull to all the “EDC” BS, some of them are ridiculous – talon shaped etc.
    to be honest, i think “EDC” movement has popularised knives, to stupid people…
    it was quite difficult for me getting age verified (i am 30+)), so i don’t think directed at heinnie etc, them getting punished (in the trawl net) for others misdemeanors.
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    pretty sure you will be able to collect them fine with ID – the “carry” bit will be referring to an unpackaged knife i think; gone will be the days of taking your edc to the post office to open your packages… (maybe the law is not so bad ?).

  22. Alan - 11:34 pm 01/07/18

    The ‘good reason’ is not being tampered with. So, if you pick up your knife from a third party shipper, transferring it from that place to your home will fall under the ‘good reason’ rules. Just as today it’s possible to buy a set of kitchen knives in a high-street store and carry them home legally.

    There is enough to digest with the changes to mail order and the redefinition of a flick knife. Don’t add catastrophe when it isn’t there. What goes away is mail order to a private address, and (probably) making AOs join the ranks of banned knives.

    The bigger concern is if the law doesn’t stop there, but includes flipper tabs on manual knives, and all kinds of OHO, too. I think this is unlikely in legislation, but a distinct possibility in case law – a loose Axis lock has a button and a spring and while it isn’t spring-loaded or spring-assisted, I fear that might be a distinction too far for some keen CPS barrister.

  23. dan - 3:23 am 02/07/18

    it will stop nohing as older teenagers can go to the collection point pick up the package and give it to a younger person its ludicrous.most knife crime is done with a kitchen knife anyway what they gunna ban next kitchens?!

  24. David B - 5:09 am 02/07/18

    ‘Feral youth’ (Stephen 28/6/18)! Bang on Sir! That is the problem in a nutshell. These young scrotes are using their mothers kitchen knives (mostly). Yes, I have seen the videos of the machetes/zombie knives confiscated by the police, which I am sure are the exception, but the humble kitchen knife is easier to hide in a hoodie and is just as deadly!

  25. Lawrence Taylor - 5:25 pm 02/07/18

    I think you’re making a big assumption that royal mail and other couriers will continue to carry blades when the law makes them criminally liable for delivery to a residential address in some circumstances (as drafted), they may decide their only option is to blanket ban carrying them, but there is a solution being discussed by another retailer for their own delivery service with the order being placed in such a way that it is outside the scope of the new bill, while incorporating it’s goal of secured delivery to over 18’s only, might be worth a look

  26. Lawrence Taylor - 5:33 pm 02/07/18

    In Ref to Simons comment, it is legal to carry a knife with a ‘reasonable excuse’, packaged and being transported from a post office to your residence after purchase would be considered reasonable imo, but I wouldn’t go leaving the package in your car for more than a day or two, easily done but could land you in hot water.

  27. STEPHEN BATES - 8:59 pm 02/07/18

    * NB – With very little chance of civil insurrection.

  28. paul - 4:52 am 03/07/18

    It seems everyone has missed the biggest point! The fact that once the law comes to, everyone who has a assisted knife will have to dispose it because it will become against the law to own banned items. Previously you could have on your private premises a banned item say for instance a zombie knife and this would be OK to keep.. Now its a no no…

  29. STEPHEN BATES - 10:20 am 03/07/18

    Heinnie Haynes has every right to protect their business interests, after all, who else is going to do it. I have said this before publicly, and I will say it again. There are people in this country, that think civilians should only be allowed to have “plastic eating utensils”, and nothing else. So, there is a turf war in London, between rival drug gangs. This is the perfect excuse to change the law. When you run a country, you want the people to be hard working, compliant, and pay their taxes on time. With very little chance of civil insurrection. Welcome to the United Kingdom. “Norman Law” has not changed much in the last 1000 years, has it !

  30. A. Chirgwin - 10:50 pm 05/07/18

    I have to say that pictures I have seen in newspapers of confiscated knives seem to show approximately 90% kitchen knives + approximately 5% machetes which are hardly concealable, how are we to control this by creating laws to ban or control hunting or utility/work knives?

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