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The Offensive Weapons Bill 2018

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On 20th June 2018, the Government published its Offensive Weapons Bill – the first step to creating a new Act. The provisions set out in the Bill will become law when the Act is passed. That hasn’t happened, yet, but it will.

The headlines of the Bill are set out on this page.

…with the full text of the Bill available here.

The Bill is set for its second reading in the Commons on the afternoon of Wednesday 27th June.

Significantly, for Heinnie Haynes, this Bill, when implemented, will affect the way that we work and trade. It will affect the way that you buy knives. One of the provisions in the Bill is that we will no longer be able to deliver bladed items to residential addresses. This means no more home delivery for knives and bladed tools. We appreciate that this is a big deal – it’s fundamentally the biggest change in the way that we work during the 22 years that we’ve been in business.

This is not the end of the road for us. Your non-knife parcels will be delivered to your home as before, and we have a plan in place to be able to deliver your knife orders to your local collection point (details to follow). Of course it’s not as useful as having your parcels delivered to your front door, but it’ll save you waiting in for deliveries. In most cases, we’ll be able to offer next working day delivery on those orders.

During the stages of this consultation prior to publication of the Bill, we’ve had very many fruitful conversations with a great many of you. We thank all of you who’ve contributed, both in below-the-line comments on our blog and FB feed, and by engaging with their MPs. We’re heartened that some of your comments to the consultation seem to have been listened to. Of course there are very many others which appear to have been ignored. We still have time to lobby our MPs until the law is enacted.

One of our suppliers has set up a petition to challenge the updated law. Here’s the link to the petition to Remove article 15 of the Offensive Weapons Bill.

With thanks for your custom over the past 22 years, and looking forward to the future together.

Comments

38 thoughts on “The Offensive Weapons Bill 2018

  1. Luc Paoli - 4:50 pm 21/06/18

    what is the updated definition of a “flick knife”?

  2. Lawyer - 4:48 pm 22/06/18

    The amendments to the definition of flick knives is designed to catch assisted-openers. The reference to “automatically” should mean that flippers are not caught.

  3. Dave - 7:11 pm 26/06/18

    Comment

    I think that flippers will be caught up in the law. This is certainly something that could be interpreted to be automatic from a fully closed or partially open position. It depends on what is meant by the meaning ‘automatic’ in the definition of the act. What I’ve found over the many years of trying to talk to the home office about knife law is that they often say it’s for the courts to decide what the laws interpretation is, which when you think about it, it’s ludicrous. How can a law be ‘generated’ on the basis of it having no definition until it goes to court. The problem as I see it at the moment is, could a thumb stud opening lock knife on a friction hinge be classed as automatic by using its inerrant ‘button’ or is this classed as a manual opener and if you cease to remain pushing the blade open it will stop opening, therefore it can’t be automatic… But what if you flip the blade open using a push force on the thumb stud large enough to generate a fully opening sequence …. Is that automatic… The fact is that law doesn’t always take the natural definition and meaning but one of something other. The way I see it is they are most definitely trying to catch Spring assisted knives either thumb stud or flipper variants, yet as I said you can achieve almost the same characteristics using a thumb stud on a friction folder. Any thoughts……

  4. Dave - 8:39 pm 26/06/18

    Comment
    After some more investigation, I’ve found that the change in law in aimed at but not exclusive to Spring assisted style knives either flipper style or thumb stud type. so friction folders or folders with a thumb stud that only Reley on manual movement solely to open their blades at this point in my thinking are ok…..

  5. Stephen - 8:33 pm 28/06/18

    Once again hasty and ill thought out legislation causes chaos for millions of law abiding folk without making the blindest difference towards achieving the objective. The problem is not mail order blades but a tiny minority of feral youth. The logic is like saying ‘spoons make you fat’.

  6. Simon - 9:09 pm 28/06/18

    There is a very clear problem with this bill.
    If it is illegal to deliver a knife to a residential address, and it is illegal to carry a knife..,how do you get any knife home- or do they suggest we now cut bread with a spoon!?

  7. Simon - 8:18 am 29/06/18

    Does anyone know if ‘bladed articles’ would include packs of disposable blades for Stanley knives, snap-off blade utility knives, X-Acto knives, scalpels etc? If so, that’s a major pain in the bum, I buy a lot of these by mail order for DIY and craft purposes.

  8. SD - 8:59 am 29/06/18

    I ask as a resident of the Isla of Man
    Do you think, as with other related legislation, that Crown Dependencies will be excluded from the new act?

  9. M. Steven - 1:43 pm 29/06/18

    The police state intensifies its clamp down on ordinary, law abiding citizens. Sickening. And less than 3000 signatures on the petition. Almost as sickening.

  10. Ian - 2:19 pm 29/06/18

    This is a difficult one for me.
    I like Hennie’s service and products, but although my family and I live rough in a private woodland at the weekend we also live in inner city London with all the concerns about knife crime that entails when you have two teenage children. I own axes, knives etc for practical living when camping but I am against this being a campaign issue for Hennie. There is a knife problem in our local schools (my children are above this, having learnt what such tools are for) and wheedling around this by delivering to a local shop is not going to solve the problem. I would agree with the general intent of the government, although I disagree with this policy.
    I would prefer for the law to be sensible (as it probably already is) and demand proof of ID on any purchases. But meanwhile Hennie with a vested interest should stay out of the argument.
    I also agree with Simon’s comment that there is an inherent contradiction in the law if you cannot carry the item you are going to collect. By it’s nature this surely renders the law completely unenforceable in court?

  11. Richard Corso - 4:26 pm 29/06/18

    None of these new laws or legislation will reduce the massively increasing knife crime particularly in our major city’s. if a person who wishes to do harm to anyone they will go to the kitchen or any supermarket and purchase a domastic tool there. There’s more to this than the current knife crime problems

  12. Keith Simpson - 6:35 pm 29/06/18

    I cannot see how these changes to knife sales will stop knife crime. The government stopped legitimate gun owners and users years ago but it did not, has not, stopped gun crime. For those wishing to obtain a knife, as they have with firearms, will always find a way. I understand the government have to find a solution to the problem but it is not always the right solution.

  13. Charles - 7:38 pm 29/06/18

    Comment
    As per usual the politicians haven’t a clue what’s going on. The majority of knife crime is committed using kitchen knives that the kids steal from Tescos. They are not going to be spending £100+ for quality assisted openers if they are going to be throwing them away after hurting someone. Yes maybe a very small percentage have quality knives, but the majority don’t AND they don’t buy them.
    I have a Gerber Fast Draw which is a constant companion at work, but I could be arrested if I left it in my pocket, rather than my toolbox — a crazy state of affairs. This is beginning to sound like the knee jerk reaction that banned handguns, that ruined competitive pistol shooting for a generation and had virtually no effect on gun crime. It’s about time the politicians got off their collect asses and did some proper research.

  14. Jez - 7:52 pm 29/06/18

    We are on a loser I am afraid.
    This country’s laws are heavily influenced by pressure groups, that is normally enough on it’s own despite being minority views to bring on legislation, but add public opinion to that which in the important areas of course has no effect, such as the opposition to Iraq, or the agenda to run down and privatise the NHS for wealth creation for the elite.
    Last figures I had was when Lansley was Health secretary, were that allegedly at least 225 Parliamentarians have connections to private health companies, many of them American and that figure will certainly be much higher by now, once we leave the EU and they have complete power, the direct trade route into the UK will mean corporate take over and asset stripping of our health care and other areas.
    Huge fortunes will be made by the elite leaving the population with huge insurance bills of hundreds of pounds per month, per person including babies and children.
    The effect on issues like knife law or motoring law, green issues have a swell of public opinion behind them and as a % of the population us knife collectors are a tiny number who have no say whatsoever in the outcome.
    The government will go for the most draconian laws possible to placate the public and trumpet their pro public order credentials. They also I suspect use any opportunity as with gun law to disarm the public, particularly as I anticipate disaffection when the consequences of leaving the EU are felt in the pockets of the population who will wake up too late to the fact that it has been engineered by an elite group of international capitalists who intend to deregulate the UK and install an Asian style of economy.
    There is a book ‘Britannia Unchained’ co authored by the MP Priti Patel which sets out the agenda and refers to the population of the UK as idle, overpaid.
    See the reviews on Amazon or somewhere to get a flavour if you are interested.
    The police, CPS and court system will hit knives hard as well again for obvious reasons, so don’t expect any quarter given, they will be as harsh as the legislation allows.
    Yet we all know that collector’s knives are not used for knife crime, recent attacks have been with kitchen knives bought for a couple of pounds from a cheap shop.
    When the police proudly display their latest pile of knives ‘taken off of the street’ freeze frame the footage, they are mostly kitchen knives with one or two nasty looking cheap Rambo rubbish knives thrown in.
    Banning will not solve the problem as has been shown by the criminals turning to acid now, ban acid and they will use hammers or chisels, it is the offenders who need dealing with and in many cases locking them up just keeps them off the street for a few months.
    I know of charity social clubs, boxing clubs who due to cuts by the Tories have lost funding and are having to close, it is these type of organisations that push potential criminal users of knives in the right direction, but the Tories are not interested in that, they just want votes, and big headlines of draconian knife crime laws buy them.

  15. P - 9:26 pm 29/06/18

    Yeah because criminals buy knives don’t they. They obviously don’t just go out and steal them!

  16. Aida - 11:00 am 30/06/18

    These new knife laws will make us the laughing stock of the rest of the “free” World. They can’t even be trusted with sharp things!

  17. David Morgan - 1:59 pm 30/06/18

    While I agree with and abide by the laws of this land I think it is important to remember that laws have little or no value in preventing crime or keeping the public safe. Decent people do not break the laws, career criminals, terrorists etc simply ignore them. We have had laws in place for centuries to prohibit theft, people steal; to prohibit burglary, people burgle; to prohibit rape, people rape; to prohibit drink/drive, people drink/drive; to prohibit murder, people kill;. Laws to completely ban the purchase of knives will simply mean that individuals who want to attack others will make a knife(very easy to do) or other weapon. remember that the ideal weapon to commit murder is a vehicle. One can always plead careless or dangerous driving. Parliament seem to enact laws without any real thought as to the practicality and/or value. I remember Tony Blair announcing a new initiative to solve drunken and rowdy behaviour. People were to be taken to cash points by the police and fined on the spot!! Clearly he had never dealt with a rowdy, drunken person and had given no thought to the acquisition of pin numbers and potential dishonesty. If someone is determined to get a knife to harm others they will burgle a house, restaurant or shop and steal one. Every household possesses knives of some description. In reality, if I wanted to kill someone I would buy a 2lb ball peen hammer, as used in hand to hand fighting by Special Forces, a small hand axe, Fiskars make a range of sizes or possibly a billhook, available at all good garden centres. These are all equally effective killing tools as a knife. Sadly none of these sort of facts will be considered and firms such as Hennie will suffer and huge amounts of public money will be wasted enacting relatively valueless laws.

  18. Tony Leah - 7:13 pm 30/06/18

    I believe that in certain areas of this country the police have lost control of the streets we live in, there are no go areas, they avoid going to, just to avoid confrontation, basically due to massive under staffing.There answer as usual is to hit the law abiding members of society,because we wil accept everything they throw at us.we lost our handguns,through the actions of people who properly vetted would never had a license in the first place.knife carrying thugs don’t buy from HH, the get them from cheap shops who don’t give a toss who they sell too.Moped crime is on the rise, come on government,ban the sale of mopeds??, that’s what you do . for gods sake punish the guilty give courts proper powers,lets have judges with some balls!!

  19. Matt - 11:24 pm 30/06/18

    Comment
    Ian, i think you’re completely wrong here. Heinnie Haynes, as one of the largest knife companies in the country, is exactly the type of organisation that needs to step forward to protect the interests of the knife enthusiast community. Nobody else is going to do it, and the government has demonstrated time and again that it sees us simply as an easy scapegoat to attack to get easy votes off of simplistic thinkers.

  20. David Stead - 1:58 pm 01/07/18

    Just like the VCR act with air rifles, this will not stop anyone buying from abroad and having the parcel delivered to their home address, not even a child. Just like the VCR act, this will do absolutely nothing to reduce violent crime, not even for a single day. This is a direct attack on British owned companies by globalists, nothing to do with crime at all.

  21. Mr Stephen R Valledy - 7:00 pm 01/07/18

    Comment
    If you look at Hansard the Home Secretary clearly says that this bill will not apply to ” table knives, knives to be used for sporting purposes, knives to be used for re-enactment purposes, or hand-made knives.” It will be a legal defence for knife suppliers to argue that these knives can be bought and delivered in the usual way.

  22. Bob - 8:36 pm 01/07/18

    Surely someone should point out that there is already a law to stop sales to U18s it is just being ignored by delivery companies. Already you are supposed to show ID on delivery. Fine or prosecute delivery companies who fail to comply. A note on the front door saying “Gone out. Leave by back door” should mean no delivery. I have kids and worry about knife crime but this law does nothing. A kitchen knife will do the deed. And you can stab people with screwdrivers/any pointed object, even pens and pencils which I don’t see being banned in schools. The only way to stop the current problem is teaching kids to behave properly and having genuine punishment if they don’t. But that’s a harder thing to do so politicians don’t bother.

  23. jimmy - 10:59 pm 01/07/18

    i think the law is maybe a push-pull to all the “EDC” BS, some of them are ridiculous – talon shaped etc.
    to be honest, i think “EDC” movement has popularised knives, to stupid people…
    it was quite difficult for me getting age verified (i am 30+)), so i don’t think directed at heinnie etc, them getting punished (in the trawl net) for others misdemeanors.
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    pretty sure you will be able to collect them fine with ID – the “carry” bit will be referring to an unpackaged knife i think; gone will be the days of taking your edc to the post office to open your packages… (maybe the law is not so bad ?).

  24. Alan - 11:34 pm 01/07/18

    The ‘good reason’ is not being tampered with. So, if you pick up your knife from a third party shipper, transferring it from that place to your home will fall under the ‘good reason’ rules. Just as today it’s possible to buy a set of kitchen knives in a high-street store and carry them home legally.

    There is enough to digest with the changes to mail order and the redefinition of a flick knife. Don’t add catastrophe when it isn’t there. What goes away is mail order to a private address, and (probably) making AOs join the ranks of banned knives.

    The bigger concern is if the law doesn’t stop there, but includes flipper tabs on manual knives, and all kinds of OHO, too. I think this is unlikely in legislation, but a distinct possibility in case law – a loose Axis lock has a button and a spring and while it isn’t spring-loaded or spring-assisted, I fear that might be a distinction too far for some keen CPS barrister.

  25. dan - 3:23 am 02/07/18

    it will stop nohing as older teenagers can go to the collection point pick up the package and give it to a younger person its ludicrous.most knife crime is done with a kitchen knife anyway what they gunna ban next kitchens?!

  26. David B - 5:09 am 02/07/18

    ‘Feral youth’ (Stephen 28/6/18)! Bang on Sir! That is the problem in a nutshell. These young scrotes are using their mothers kitchen knives (mostly). Yes, I have seen the videos of the machetes/zombie knives confiscated by the police, which I am sure are the exception, but the humble kitchen knife is easier to hide in a hoodie and is just as deadly!

  27. Lawrence Taylor - 5:25 pm 02/07/18

    I think you’re making a big assumption that royal mail and other couriers will continue to carry blades when the law makes them criminally liable for delivery to a residential address in some circumstances (as drafted), they may decide their only option is to blanket ban carrying them, but there is a solution being discussed by another retailer for their own delivery service with the order being placed in such a way that it is outside the scope of the new bill, while incorporating it’s goal of secured delivery to over 18’s only, might be worth a look

  28. Lawrence Taylor - 5:33 pm 02/07/18

    In Ref to Simons comment, it is legal to carry a knife with a ‘reasonable excuse’, packaged and being transported from a post office to your residence after purchase would be considered reasonable imo, but I wouldn’t go leaving the package in your car for more than a day or two, easily done but could land you in hot water.

  29. STEPHEN BATES - 8:59 pm 02/07/18

    * NB – With very little chance of civil insurrection.

  30. paul - 4:52 am 03/07/18

    It seems everyone has missed the biggest point! The fact that once the law comes to, everyone who has a assisted knife will have to dispose it because it will become against the law to own banned items. Previously you could have on your private premises a banned item say for instance a zombie knife and this would be OK to keep.. Now its a no no…

  31. STEPHEN BATES - 10:20 am 03/07/18

    Heinnie Haynes has every right to protect their business interests, after all, who else is going to do it. I have said this before publicly, and I will say it again. There are people in this country, that think civilians should only be allowed to have “plastic eating utensils”, and nothing else. So, there is a turf war in London, between rival drug gangs. This is the perfect excuse to change the law. When you run a country, you want the people to be hard working, compliant, and pay their taxes on time. With very little chance of civil insurrection. Welcome to the United Kingdom. “Norman Law” has not changed much in the last 1000 years, has it !

  32. A. Chirgwin - 10:50 pm 05/07/18

    I have to say that pictures I have seen in newspapers of confiscated knives seem to show approximately 90% kitchen knives + approximately 5% machetes which are hardly concealable, how are we to control this by creating laws to ban or control hunting or utility/work knives?

  33. Phil - 6:20 pm 11/07/18

    I’ve received an email regarding having signed the petition asking for submissions on possible changes to the new bill currently being considered. Can someone create a template of valid points thst can be used in response to this request that would put our points across in a reasonable and articulate way?

  34. Steve - 12:48 pm 20/07/18

    CommentThis whole problem with the horrendous rise in knife related crime is being approached from the wrong end. This proposed new law will do nothing to lessen the amount of knives being used in crime. It is utterly tragic and totally appalling how many people are being killed and wounded in knife attacks, but do you really think if someone wants to carry a knife with criminal intent, that not being able to have it ordered and delivered to said criminals address is going to stop them either owning /acquiring or carrying one. The post Dunblaine handgun firearms laws didn’t stop criminals getting or carrying and using guns. It stopped ten of thousands for law abiding people from having them. The criminals didn’t all suddenly surrender their guns, in fact it lead to a upsurgence of criminal armoured.
    It is no coincidence that as THE ON THE STREET NUMBERS OF POLICE PLUMMET( real numbers have dropped by 20% if not more, and stop and search is at a all time low, due to low numbers of patrols free to engage in tacking violent crime on the streets. But no rather than invest in our services, after all WHO IS GOING TO POLICE THESE NEW LAWS???? let’s introduce a almost pointless ineffective law to “show we are doing something “ to deal with the growing problem.
    Heinnies and other companies will lose trade. The law will not lessen the problem. Merely a political knee jerk reaction.

  35. JayC - 6:18 pm 22/07/18

    Such a superficial way of dealing with knife crime… If they’re not able to get a knife they use something else.

    It’s just big brother gov making everyone feel nice and comfortable with them sticking their fingers up your ass.

  36. Andrew Walsh - 7:28 pm 01/09/18

    Look, we’re just going to have to adapt, and cope with this legislative mess just as we’ve coped with earlier amendments to laws regarding knives.
    Sadly we are a tiny minority, our voices too quiet and our petition too small to force serious debate of this issue.
    Heinnies practical solutions regarding postage could be a step in the right direction.
    Finally, a word on EDC. If it’s anything more than a swiss army knife in your pocket you could find it very difficult to justify.

  37. Dave - 8:55 pm 01/09/18

    This is a copy of my response going back to government to be considered at committee stage….

    For the past 7 years I’ve been trying to speak with many different authorities regarding knife law. Its implementation and how its perceived by both the police and by the courts. I’ve spoken with the CPS, the national police chiefs council (Alf Hitchcock) whom was the knife crime lead for writing up the National guidelines for dealing with knife crime and how the law was to be interpreted, I’ve spoken with Esperanza Gomez at the tackling crime unit of the Home office,I’ve spoken with the national policing college, also a number of police personnel from constables up to chief superintendent. Along with all of these people I’ve gained much more knowledge from reliable data sources.

    I’d like to start off with a little background regarding knife law, what the governments intentions were and how this law has evolved over time -and its implications to the criminals and of course the legitimate users of knives and bladed articles.

    Flick knives, which had become a problem for the same reasons which we are seeing in London now we’re being used prolifically between rival gangs of teddy boys who were trying to protect territorial boundaries and protect Gang related culture – this had become such a problem that the flick knife was enlisted on the restriction of offensive weapons act in an attempt to curtail the problems which were happening. There are three main acts / laws which look after knives and associated articles.

    The criminal justice act 1988 section 139 –
    The restriction of offensive weapons act 1959 –
    The criminal justice act (offensive weapons order) 1988.

    The criminal justice act 1988 – is the main focus of which knife law has evolved, and we can see from Hansard records how this act came about, it’s intentions and of course how case law has obscured it’s real intentions.

    When the act was constructed, the Governments intentions were to afford the casual user along with the professional user the lawful right to carry without prejudice a 3″ blade folding penknife which had the ability to be (locked) into place – this was applied through consultation with knife company’s in and around the Sheffield area who stipulated that a (locking) blade knife was brought about as an advancement in safety. The standard folding pocket knife (slip joint) had the ability to fold shut onto the users fingers causing self inflicting accidents while in use during certain cutting techniques or situations. Many varieties of lock knife came onto the market which indeed were and have been much safer for the user to use.

    A few years later, a court case came about Harris vs dpp which involved a young man carrying a lock knife in his pocket during a routine car stop by a policeman. The case went to court and the magistrate argued implicitly that his understanding or interpretation of the word (folding) meant that the knife should be foldable at all times, and shouldn’t require the use of a button, Spring lever or other device to (un-lock) the blade to allow for its closure. The magistrate, so determined to get a conviction persuaded the court and got a conviction – a later case of similar surroundings also went to court, and was up-held. This then meant that it had become case Law to carry a lock knife of any sorts and was an offence to do so.

    So through the Perusing intent of just a handful of magistrates and barristers the ability to carry what indeed was a much safer knife to use had been outlawed and made an offence at the cost of bringing just two people to account.

    The general theme that I have found over the many years that I’ve been a collector and user of knives (30 yrs) is that there is a great misunderstanding of knife law by the people who make the laws, and an even greater misunderstanding by the police whom are suppose to uphold the law. Many cases which have been attributed cautions by the police were done so when no offences had been committed, the mere carrying of an exempt knife has landed many people in trouble and got them a police record because both parties didn’t know the law. If you’ll notice people have been conditioned into saying “lethal weapons” or “offensive weapons” without even considering the legal implications of such categorisation.

    So the average legitimate knife carrier ‘my self included’ of which I’ve done since I was in the Cubs and then the scouts has been made to carry a less safer knife because of this case law change. Certain defences were applied to the criminal justice act which does allow effectively the carrying of many bladed articles but the offence has already been committed (primal facia) with the burden of proof of reason lying with the accused. This allows a little affordability in the law for people like me whom wish to carry larger knives, fixed blade knives and locking knives while carrying out those activities such as ‘bushcraft’, camping, wood carving etc but again it’s only my word vs the police or courts, and there have been cases where it’s gone the wrong way for the wrong reasons just to get a conviction. Remember the vast majority of the police that I’ve spoken to don’t understand the law and its exceptions, in fact it’s written in guidelines by the NPCC that if its in the interest of public concern that a conviction should be sought – even if the carrier of the knife is legitimate.

    I have been asking for the past seven years that if I carry my locking blade ‘leatherman’ multi tool which is only available in locking format- will the reason of presumption of use afford me the exemption from offence as how can I know if I will use the multi tool that day or not for whatever purpose…. The whole reasoning behind having that particular multi tool is that it offers increased protection to the user through the safe locking of the blades. I’ve never ever been given any answer other that it’s up to the courts to decide if that’s a reasonable excuse or good reason to carry. Now I don’t think that that’s acceptable when you allow a Sikh to carry a Kirpin (dagger) or a Scotsman to carry a skiduh for their religious reasons..

    The law as it is stands in the way of good honest legitimate users, it makes them have to justify beyond reasonable question for their intentions. Putting in the new proposed ‘offensive weapons bill’ would be reckless on the part of the legitimate user for many reasons. When you actually look at the knife styles which are so often depicted on police websites or knife ban campaigns the overwhelming majority are so often the humble kitchen drawer knife, when you consider that this style of knife is still going to be so open to availability and misuse then surely you can see that applying a ban on the sale of knives on-line will have minimal impact to the issues which we are facing today.

    When you actually consider what the root problems are as to why we are seeing such an incline in serious violence – this isn’t extraordinary this is the now, new normal. Drugs and the financial gains from them have taken over and what you’re seeing is in-fact normal in today’s society. The use of weapons, knives or any other implements are merely a byproduct of the real problems which are happening, which is territorial and geographical protection for the selling rights of drug dealers and their associated gangs. It doesn’t matter to these people what changes in knife law you make they are above the law and convincing yourself or the general public would be disingenuous to everyone concerned. Knife law as it stands now needs to be reviewed and in the case of lock knives should be relaxed just how the government intended for the reasons explained and pertaining to safety for the user without fear of committing an offence.

    The proposed changes relating to redefining a ‘flick knife’ are empty of reasoning and will facilitate the misuse of case law to grab further candidates under the same meaning. There are so many variants of knives which could conceivably come under the proposed phrasing proposed for what constitutes a ‘flick knife’ which would take purposeful knives out of existence. There are one handed openers which have a thumb stud as part of the blade to facilitate the opening of the knife using only one hand, this style of knife was developed for hunters, and for climbers etc where the ability to use just one hand was a requirement and not just a wish. I cut my hand very Bradley a few years ago while rope climbing as I only had a folding knife with me which required two hands to open and didn’t lock – I needed to cut some rope while still up in the air and only having this basic knife with me which the law exempts this caused me to slip and cut my hand quite badly. Had I used a spring assisted opening knife or a one handed opening knife which locked the consequences of that day would have been much better.

    We do have serious problems surrounding knives, we have the misunderstanding of what styles of knives there are, how those laws are interpreted and what to do about why knives are being used. Knives and weapons are inanimate objects they are driven by the user of such either for good or evil, but to attribute blame onto knives isn’t going to save any more lives from being destroyed through ill intent or otherwise. The ready availability of the humble knife is just right there in every home, or hanging up in the local shop. The use of knives is the byproduct of something greater which is going on – Drug wars and gang related culture, stopping sale to 18 year olds or stopping sales online altogether will not stop was is going on in London, this will merely be a slight distraction to the greater problem which can be circumvented through much easier means. I see and hear so often as I have done through the first sitting and second sitting of this bill so much blissful ignorance of knives so often referred to as lethal weapons on our streets when in fact they are the very foundations of which our existence has evolved. Knives are not lethal, they have no personalities they are just inanimate objects driven solely by the intent of the user.

    I have spent over thirty years collecting knives and weapons for my own personal use or pleasure, many items have remained locked up within my home, and government now want to take many of these items from me under the new proved changes to the law of having certain items,me neither at home. With no valued reasoning behind their thoughts other than they can’t understand why anyone would want to have such items at home or what other possible use are they other than to inflict pain or hurt against someone. –

    my collection is my hobby, it’s what I’m interested in and certainly doesn’t affect anyone else or can be a danger to anyone else. Any reasonable person who was told that someone else has a collection at home for their own pleasure would not agree that taking it away on the grounds that the government believe it’s in there interests to do so because they can’t understand why anyone would want to collect such items.

    The very same reasoning behind trying to ban .50 calibre rifles also stands, this type of gun has never been used in any form of criminal activity, it’s totally ludicrous to even think about removing it from existence with nothing credible or meaningful to back it up.

    Corrosive substances.

    I believe this will be the next generation of weapon choice, again household bleach along with many other corrosive substances are available from right under the drawer which has the knives in. You can ban all the substances in the world, these people will circumvent any bans you put in front of them while greatly inconveniencing or worse the legitimate users of such products.

    You are tar brushing by default many thousands of people who legitimately use guns, knives and corrosives alike with little to no understanding of the implications of how you are destroying perfectly good people with a positive intent.

    The route cause of all of these issues surrounds the criminal gangs and drug dealers, saying that the proposed changes will be a welcome start to sorting out the issues is totally wrong this will make no change whatsoever to those people but a massive impact to those who really actually care about life.

    I don’t agree with any of the proposed changes, and I certainly don’t agree with how case law has evolved knife law into one of which makes the legitimate user of knives have to use a less safer knife through default, to just stand up in the House of Commons act suggest we need to rid the streets of leather weapons is not going to eradicate the real growing problems surrounding what is really going on. You can bluff the public and even yourselves for a while but this is not going to go away until you sort out the drugs, the gangs and the culture surrounding this issue.

    I propose that you look at repealing the offence of having a lock knife in a public place from the criminal justice act 1988 and that the proposed changes regarding sale of knives online and redefining a flick knife are removed.

    I have always offered to come over to London to help discuss these matters, and in the 7 years that I’ve been trying to get a fair deal for knife users and a better understanding of the law – no one has ever asked for help. I’ve tried to speak with Victoria Atkins (minister) and I just get a standard reply from home office with ridiculous comments about the state of society.

    It’s unbelievable and inconceivable to assume that the proposed changes are for the better protection of public safety, if you really want to make a change then why don’t you really start getting some expert help. MPs and ministers are not experts in understanding knives, guns or corrosive substances.

    You will be doing yourself, your children and society a great injustice by assuming the proposed changes are actually meaningful and are going to help.

    Dave.

  38. david withington - 10:27 am 08/10/18

    knife crime wont go down 1% from this ill thought out legislation

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